"The situation ... had reached a crisis point for apartheid, ... they just could not continue along the old methods."
"In some of the churches, we used to have very big rallies; the police would come and put in tear gas ..."
"Thereafter, there was a State of Emergency, we were bundled in [to prison]."
"I remember at Victor Verster, on one Christmas, in 1986, we made an ANC flag design in prison, and we had a Christmas celebration in an ANC mode." 



